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Seriously? I have been trying to finish this review for hours. I hate having the flu. Spoilers for Heroes behind the cut.



I presume not very many people can make "Previously on Heroes" sound quite as dirty as Adrian Pasdar does. Thank you, Adrian.

"So silly, trying to be something you are not" - Sylar's sentence is not only highly ironic, it also proves to be some sort of a theme for most of the characters in this episode: Peter isn't a thief and not really Ricky's "brother;" Hiro isn't just Kensei's good buddy and Yaeko's platonic friend, much as he wants to be; Claire, Micah and Niki aren't normal, Mohinder is not James Bond, and Betty, of course, is neither Candice nor Michelle, only very much dead.

Speaking of Little Miss Hallucination, I know that Missy Peregrym is on another show, but given that Candice is a character you could actually convincingly recast - as they even do here - I don't quite see the point of killing her off. At least the question who employed her is somewhat intriguing - not the Company, from the looks of it, since they would have likely kept Sylar in a technically more advanced area with more personnel.

Plot and presumably character development relevant: Even though he tried valiantly, Sylar couldn't take Candice's power, which means he'll now have to run for presidency the conventional way - if he manages to get out of those woods any time soon, that is. Since his symptoms seem to indicate that he has contracted the virus, I'm wondering if there are different mutations now - the Haitian, after all, seemed to decline rather rapidly, while Sylar seems to be up and about despite a nasty chest wound. Of course, maybe he didn't contract the virus in a natural way but was infected with it, which could have happened at any point during the last few months I guess.

Since shirtless Milo doesn't really do it for me, the most amusing part of the Ireland storyline is still Peter doing exactly what he always criticized in his father: hanging with criminals, and even helping them committing crimes. Of course, Ricky is somewhat nicer than Linderman and even doesn't shoot people when he can help it, so I guess it's a bit of a difference.

As Ricky continues determinedly on his "dumb, but honorable lug with marshmallow centre" path I'm all the more convinced he won't make it. While I saw at least superficial parallels to Nathan last week, I'd say that he now reminds me much more of Petrelli Sr. at the beginning of War Buddies - better reaction to display of powers aside - and I'm wondering if this plays into Peter's wish of being accepted by this family - he couldn't get his father's respect, but he sure got Ricky's.

Caitlin and Peter already becoming a couple didn't surprise me, but didn't really interest me, either. I liked that she was actively involved in Plan Rob the Bookie, rather than tending bar at home, though.

Points of interest: Peter's vicious glee at choking Will, which goes a great deal to explain why he is hesitant to open THE BOX and probably reveal himself as one of the younger members of a much more dysfunctional clan a cold-blooded killer, the tattoo turning first into a snake then into Kensei's sign then disappearing - so much for brotherhood - and the eye-soring decision to let Peter and Ricky have their first conversation in a striped and a plaid shirt respectively. No fashion in Ireland, apparently.


Hiro, meanwhile, is not Takezo Kensei, nor is he Yaeko's lover, like he by now wishes to be; Kensei isn't Kensei either, at least not the one Hiro wants because he used to be in his childhood stories, nor is he the gentle man Yaeko wants to be hers, but from the looks of it, he might try for that.

Again, I really liked Kensei - from freaking out at Hiro - "You've cursed me!" to experimenting and delighting at what he was able to do and of course coming to the likeliest conclusion, namely that this will make him rich and powerful, to his reaction to the 90 angry ronin.
His "No one is going to stop me, because no one can stop me!" was more on the sinister side and could verge on anvilicious, depending on later developments, but for now he seems very much on the trip to herodom, which makes Hiro's decision to stay all the more likely to be extremely foolish. Oh, Hiro, you stupid, crushing little fanboy.

This was easily my favourite storyline this week, even though the framing device with Hiro writing notes for Ando, while a nice touch, made for rather jerky pacing. I still enjoy all characters involved - although Yaeko tended a bit on the generic side this time around, which hopefully won't become a habit. This being network TV, they will of course never become a threesome, but personally, I could see them ride off into the sunset together - which is probably the fever talking. Also? Masi Oka looks actually quite fetching in a kimono.

What else? Niki is back and apparently in contact with the Company, or at least Bob, who promises to cure her for one small favour, which sadly enough likely doesn't involve sex with Nathan again.
Like Micah says, this will probably end badly; and her insistence that they have to be "normal" is of course completely fruitless, as Micah's Great Aunt is awesomely played by Nichelle Nichols, and you can't tell me she doesn't have a power, in addition to being the greatest- looking septuagenarian right next to George Takei.

And then there is of course D.L.. Poor, poor D.L. - I have no idea if I should be more sad for you because you were swiftly cast aside by the show, or because one of your insane relatives apparently saw it fit to name you after Daniel Linderman. As for anyone wondering about his cause of death, going by the date he didn't die of his wounds, so I'm boldly coming out and saying that he contracted the virus - it could easily explain why Niki wants to be "cured" by the Company, and is less tacky than having him be the only one who died in result of Kirby Plaza.

Matt, Mohinder and Molly were cute and domestic, and Mohinder feels like he is increasingly in over his head with Bob. I agree with you, dude. I'm also beginning to find all those dire warnings about Mo possibly dying a little anvillicious, but I don't think he'll kick the bucket just yet.

Not to forget newer folks, we also spend some time with Maya y Alejandro, wherein Alejandro gets to play worst car thief ever, and Maya bails her brother out of jail by effectively using her power to poison the guards; they end up hitching a hike from Alejandro's cellmate, who, most ironically, might be the person who stole Claire's car, or is otherwise at least affiliated to her Highschool, given his mascot bumpersticker.

Speaking of Clairebear, I'm patiently, if somewhat indulgingly waiting for her storyline to develop into more interesting directions. Confronting West with his annoying behaviour was good, and his wisking her away for a quick flight was admittedly charming, if rather risqué - does he really think no one in California ever looks up? That she didn't tell him she knew other flying people was rather grating, but at least his reveal about Bennet could make for some intriguing developments.

Speaking of whom, Bennet doesn't have a whole lot to do this week, but gets a portent of doom - the second of Isaac's series of eight paintings, allegedly the last one in the sequence - which, given how much they blundered last time on this one, seems unlikely - which shows a presumably dead, bespectacled man who looks suspiciously like Bennet, lying before a rather indifferent Claire making out with a mysterious dark stranger. Oh dear.

Next week: Matt gets his detective on, Molly identifies the NIGHTMARE MAN (thank you, [livejournal.com profile] spectralbovine) , Bennet gets suspicious, and Nathan is 100% beardless!

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Date: 2007-10-09 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparky77.livejournal.com
and Nathan is 100% beardless!
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope they at least give me a chance to say good-bye.

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Date: 2007-10-09 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Maybe you'll get a shaving scene, as Adrian said something about Nathan's kids persuading him to cut the beard a few weeks back. Of course, that could have been cut, or he could have been making it up because he wants to protect the beard's new identity is tired of beard questions. But actually, I am afraid they cut that.

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Date: 2007-10-09 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparky77.livejournal.com
Maybe the beard's going to go to Ireland and open the fucking box for Peter.

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Date: 2007-10-09 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparky77.livejournal.com
And feel better! *hugs* The flu sucks!

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Date: 2007-10-10 09:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Thank you. :)

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Date: 2007-10-09 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spectralbovine.livejournal.com
Hee to the icon!

Sylar's sentence is not only highly ironic, it also proves to be some sort of a theme for most of the characters in this episode: Peter isn't a thief and not really Ricky's "brother;" Hiro isn't just Kensei's good buddy and Yaeko's platonic friend, much as he wants to be; Claire, Micah and Niki aren't normal, Mohinder is not James Bond, and Betty, of course, is neither Candice nor Michelle, only very much dead.
Ooh!! Also, Betty?

Speaking of Little Miss Hallucination, I know that Missy Peregrym is on another show, but given that Candice is a character you could actually convincingly recast - as they even do here - I don't quite see the point of killing her off.
Yeah, I was surprised! I mean, it would have been interesting to continue with a different actress, no?

At least the question who employed her is somewhat intriguing - not the Company, from the looks of it, since they would have likely kept Sylar in a technically more advanced area with more personnel.
Hm. Good point.

Even though he tried valiantly, Sylar couldn't take Candice's power, which means he'll now have to run for presidency the conventional way
Hee!

the most amusing part of the Ireland storyline is still Peter doing exactly what he always criticized in his father: hanging with criminals, and even helping them committing crimes.
Nice! You have the best insights.

because one of your insane relatives apparently saw it fit to name you after Daniel Linderman.
Ooooh. Maybe he was named after D.L. Hughley.

if rather risqué - does he really think no one in California ever looks up?
Actually, yes. There's a whole comic about that.

lying before a rather indifferent Claire making out with a mysterious dark stranger.
Who looks suspiciously like West.

Next week: Matt gets his detective on, Molly identifies the season's Big Bad, Bennet gets suspicious, and Nathan is 100% beardless!
THE NIGHTMARE MAN! (And I'm not referring to bearded Nathan.)

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Date: 2007-10-09 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Also, Betty?

Candice actual name, at least according to the comics.

I mean, it would have been interesting to continue with a different actress, no?

Yes. And apparently Beeman said in his blog that they really mostly killed her because Missy Peregrym was unavailable, which portrays great confidence in her uniqueness I guess.

You have the best insights.

It's totally not because I have been obsessively rewatching Six Month Ago. *looks shiftily*

Maybe he was named after D.L. Hughley.

Hee. True!

Actually, yes. There's a whole comic about that.

*facepalm* I wonder if they actually want us to think that West is cool. I mean - it's not really working...

Who looks suspiciously like West.

Hmmmm.... *puts on best Hercule Poirot expression*

THE NIGHTMARE MAN! (And I'm not referring to bearded Nathan.)

Hey. Don't diss the beard, it might hear you. And come for you, at night, when you least expect it.

But the NIGHTMARE MAN cracks me up, since [livejournal.com profile] cadesama and I have been calling Molly's Big Bad Nightmare Villain or Nightmare Dude for several weeks. They are stealing our ideas!

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Date: 2007-10-09 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spectralbovine.livejournal.com
Candice actual name, at least according to the comics.
Oh, right! I was trying to remember what it was last night, too.

And apparently Beeman said in his blog that they really mostly killed her because Missy Peregrym was unavailable, which portrays great confidence in her uniqueness I guess.
Heh. I mean, I was trying to think of how confusing it would be for us to deal with "Candace" and "Michelle" being the "same character." I mean, it's not like the Doctor, where new regenerations do have different personalities.

I wonder if they actually want us to think that West is cool. I mean - it's not really working...
Nope. Not at all. Smug bastard.

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Date: 2007-10-10 09:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
I mean, it's not like the Doctor, where new regenerations do have different personalities.

True.

Nope. Not at all. Smug bastard.

Hee. It's not that I really believe he'll survive the season, so I'm not too worried, but he's grating somewhat.

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Date: 2007-10-09 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adinarj.livejournal.com
I presume not very many people can make "Previously on Heroes" sound quite as dirty as Adrian Pasdar does. Thank you, Adrian.
Love.

Re: the painting... It looked rather like two different scenes in one to me. Like Bennet is dead, while Claire unknowingly is living her life, kissing her boyfriend, somewhere else. It just... the way the painting looked didn't seem to me like Claire was in the same place. I might be reading it wrong, though.

one of your insane relatives apparently saw it fit to name you after Daniel Linderman.
It was "Daniel Lawrence," was it not? I didn't think of the Linderman connection necessarily. I mean, Daniel, yes, but it's also a fairly common name.

sadly enough likely doesn't involve sex with Nathan again.
That is sad. I volunteer to take on that task, though, if it's no longer assigned to Niki.



Feel better soon! Damn flu.

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Date: 2007-10-09 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Love.

*g*

It looked rather like two different scenes in one to me. Like Bennet is dead, while Claire unknowingly is living her life, kissing her boyfriend, somewhere else. It just... the way the painting looked didn't seem to me like Claire was in the same place. I might be reading it wrong, though.

No, I think you are right. It doesn't really look like one scene, more like symbolism for Claire being distant, possibly distracted by an admirer. It's just that Isaac usually painted pretty literally what happened, so this is definitely a change in style.

It was "Daniel Lawrence," was it not? I didn't think of the Linderman connection necessarily. I mean, Daniel, yes, but it's also a fairly common name.

Daniel Lawrence indeed, and Daniel is a pretty common name, but I find it a little too coincidential that they revealed Linderman's surname only a few weeks ago with no apparent reason, and then D.L.'s first name is Daniel. Makes me wonder who Lawrence is. :)

That is sad. I volunteer to take on that task, though, if it's no longer assigned to Niki.

I believe there is a line going out back...

Feel better soon! Damn flu.

Thanks! Blasted virus.

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Date: 2007-10-09 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 12-12-12.livejournal.com
I presume not very many people can make "Previously on Heroes" sound quite as dirty as Adrian Pasdar does. Thank you, Adrian.

I didn't notice that! I thought the previouslies sounded different from usual, though.

"So silly, trying to be something you are not" - Sylar's sentence is not only highly ironic, it also proves to be some sort of a theme for most of the characters in this episode: Peter isn't a thief and not really Ricky's "brother;" Hiro isn't just Kensei's good buddy and Yaeko's platonic friend, much as he wants to be; Claire, Micah and Niki aren't normal, Mohinder is not James Bond, and Betty, of course, is neither Candice nor Michelle, only very much dead.

I like this insight very much--it ties together the various threads of the episode very nicely. I do have to wonder how self-aware Sylar is with this statement. Does he really not realize that he's doing the same thing as Candice?

While I saw at least superficial parallels to Nathan last week, I'd say that he now reminds me much more of Petrelli Sr. at the beginning of War Buddies - better reaction to display of powers aside - and I'm wondering if this plays into Peter's wish of being accepted by this family - he couldn't get his father's respect, but he sure got Ricky's.

I hadn't noticed the similarities to Papa Petrelli. I'll have to read War Buddies again. But it would be hilarious if this is what they were going for. Peter originally left the family business, defying his dad, but it looks like the mobster gene is kicking into action here. *g*

and the eye-soring decision to let Peter and Ricky have their first conversation in a striped and a plaid shirt respectively. No fashion in Ireland, apparently.

Bwah ha ha ha! Not to mention the hat. Wearing dorky outfits is apparently part of being initiated into the mob.

Again, I really liked Kensei - from freaking out at Hiro - "You've cursed me!" to experimenting and delighting at what he was able to do and of course coming to the likeliest conclusion, namely that this will make him rich and powerful, to his reaction to the 90 angry ronin.

I loved Kensei. And I agree about the hints of the possibility for corruption and angst down the line, likely triggered by Hiro's stupid, if understandable, decision to stay.

I adored Hiro's letters to Ando. They did hold up the pacing a little, but their tone was just wonderful.

Like Micah says, this will probably end badly; and her insistence that they have to be "normal" is of course completely fruitless, as Micah's Great Aunt is awesomely played by Nichelle Nichols, and you can't tell me she doesn't have a power, in addition to being the greatest- looking septuagenarian right next to George Takei.

She's in her seventies?! Wow.

And last but not least: I'm sorry to hear you have the flu. I hope you feel better soon.

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Date: 2007-10-09 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
I didn't notice that! I thought the previouslies sounded different from usual, though.

Yeah, he speaks them a lot more urgently. It's hot, but also pretty bizarre, as somewhat inappropriate.

I like this insight very much--it ties together the various threads of the episode very nicely.

It took me a while to find something to connect at least some of the threads - it completely leaves out Mayalejandro, for instance, and also Ando and Mohinder's home situation. Besides, it's positive that Mohinder plays undercover agent, despite all the evident danger, so I'm not completely sure it really holds up.

I do have to wonder how self-aware Sylar is with this statement. Does he really not realize that he's doing the same thing as Candice?

I doubt it. Sylar and the concept of self-awareness absolutely live on different planes.

I hadn't noticed the similarities to Papa Petrelli. I'll have to read War Buddies again. But it would be hilarious if this is what they were going for. Peter originally left the family business, defying his dad, but it looks like the mobster gene is kicking into action here. *g*

It does run in the family, without a doubt. And I assume this is what they were going for with Dallas before it all went to hell in a handbasket, and even later on I suspect he was meant to come across as tough but decisive instead of psychotic.

She's in her seventies?! Wow.

She is 74. She must have a portrait hidden away somewhere.

I'm sorry to hear you have the flu. I hope you feel better soon.

Thank you very much. I'm sure I will.



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Date: 2007-10-09 07:28 pm (UTC)
ext_1771: Joe Flanigan looking A-Dorable. (claire - hs)
From: [identity profile] monanotlisa.livejournal.com
Wow, I think you got it all. *g*

I especially like how you skillfully integrate D.L.'s death into the major storyline about the virus; indeed, it would be an acceptable loss if it wasn't quite so senseless. Am more hopeful about Niki having contracted the virus now...although frankly, wouldn't she have been more worried about infecting Micah?

"So silly, trying to be something you are not" - Sylar's sentence is not only highly ironic, it also proves to be some sort of a theme for most of the characters in this episode: Peter isn't a thief and not really Ricky's "brother;" Hiro isn't just Kensei's good buddy and Yaeko's platonic friend, much as he wants to be; Claire, Micah and Niki aren't normal, Mohinder is not James Bond, and Betty, of course, is neither Candice nor Michelle, only very much dead.

Indeed!

hitching a hike from Alejandro's cellmate, who, most ironically, might be the person who stole Claire's car, or is otherwise at least affiliated to her Highschool, given his mascot bumpersticker.

I tried to catch what was written on the bumpersticker but wasn't fast enough -- good eye! And hmm, odd coincidence, n'est-ce pas?

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Date: 2007-10-10 09:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Wow, I think you got it all. *g*

*bows* I seriously cut this down, since I was waxing lyrically about real and fake brothers and whatnot, and it's not like there was really very much content in this episode! Oh, academics!

I especially like how you skillfully integrate D.L.'s death into the major storyline about the virus; indeed, it would be an acceptable loss if it wasn't quite so senseless.

I so hope this speculation will turn out to be right, because seriously, it would be idiotic if he died of his gunshot wound. So, the guy who has been stabbed through the chest with a katana, the guy who got shot four times, and the guys who exploded in the sky all survived, but the guy who got shot once dies? Eh.
Besides, if he really died of the virus, he'll likely be in whatever flashback episode they'll be hoisting on us.

Am more hopeful about Niki having contracted the virus now...although frankly, wouldn't she have been more worried about infecting Micah?

Maybe that's where the Company comes in - they contacted her, took blood from her and Micah, assured her that he is safe and that they will cure her if she helps them.

I tried to catch what was written on the bumpersticker but wasn't fast enough -- good eye! And hmm, odd coincidence, n'est-ce pas?

I couldn't read what was on the bumpersticker, either, but I recognized the mascot. The idea that it was Claire's car isn't mine, I just thought he was connected to the Highschool, but apparently, this is the same model, which could be because it's Claire's car, or because the manufacturer (no need to repeat the name all the time) is the show's sponsor.

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Date: 2007-10-10 09:51 am (UTC)
ext_1771: Joe Flanigan looking A-Dorable. (claire - hs)
From: [identity profile] monanotlisa.livejournal.com
I so hope this speculation will turn out to be right, because seriously, it would be idiotic if he died of his gunshot wound. So, the guy who has been stabbed through the chest with a katana, the guy who got shot four times, and the guys who exploded in the sky all survived, but the guy who got shot once dies? Eh.
Besides, if he really died of the virus, he'll likely be in whatever flashback episode they'll be hoisting on us.
Absolutely.

I couldn't read what was on the bumpersticker, either, but I recognized the mascot. The idea that it was Claire's car isn't mine, I just thought he was connected to the Highschool, but apparently, this is the same model, which could be because it's Claire's car, or because the manufacturer (no need to repeat the name all the time) is the show's sponsor.

Hrm. Now THAT would be cheap and lame; there has to be a (Company?) connection....

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Date: 2007-10-10 09:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Hrm. Now THAT would be cheap and lame; there has to be a (Company?) connection....

Oh, I think there is a connection to the Highschool at least, because of the bumpersticker (it's their mascot, some sort of fish). I just don't know if the fact that the car is the same model like Claire's automatically means it's Claire's, because they'll all be driving those cars. According to Sharp-eyed Roommate, even the Border Police in Guatemala did.

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Date: 2007-10-10 10:07 am (UTC)
ext_1771: Joe Flanigan looking A-Dorable. (cleavage! - sga)
From: [identity profile] monanotlisa.livejournal.com
Oh, I wasn't doubting the high school connection at all, just the innocent nature of this meeting...then again, in a jail cell for presumably substance abuse: not so innocent.

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Date: 2007-10-10 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Yeah, he could totally be a Company spy! (Sorry, my brain really doesn't work that well at the moment, I'm still flu-ish.)

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Date: 2007-10-10 10:28 am (UTC)
ext_1771: Joe Flanigan looking A-Dorable. (claire - hs)
From: [identity profile] monanotlisa.livejournal.com
Aw. ::sends health-vibes:: & :-)

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Date: 2007-10-09 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kattahj.livejournal.com
I presume not very many people can make "Previously on Heroes" sound quite as dirty as Adrian Pasdar does.

I actually replayed just those three seconds just to perv over his voice. Am pathetic.

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Date: 2007-10-10 08:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
I actually replayed just those three seconds just to perv over his voice. Am pathetic.

Well, when Nathan isn't in the episode, one has to grab even the tiniest reminder of him and hold onto it for dear life.

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Date: 2007-10-10 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kattahj.livejournal.com
That's a nice excuse, but unfortunately I can't use it, since I couldn't know after three seconds that Nathan wouldn't be in the episode. It was literally a case of, "Ooh, Adrian's voice!" *replays*

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Date: 2007-10-10 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Hee. I already knew at that point, so it made me squee that he kinda was in the episode after all.

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Date: 2007-10-09 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cadesama.livejournal.com
Speaking of Little Miss Hallucination, I know that Missy Peregrym is on another show, but given that Candice is a character you could actually convincingly recast - as they even do here - I don't quite see the point of killing her off.

Supposedly, according to Greg Beeman, they'd originally planned for Sylar and Candice to adventure around a bit before he, presumably, killed her. I think the reason she was destined to die, rather than just be quietly ignored, was to get her power of the table and complete the prevention of 5YG. Peter didn't destroy NYC, Nathan's not going to be president, Micah and Ando didn't die, and Sylar will never have DL or Candice's powers. The only thing left on the table is the possibility of Claire living her life in hiding, which is sort of her plot anyway.

and the eye-soring decision to let Peter and Ricky have their first conversation in a striped and a plaid shirt respectively.

This is honestly why I think Peter keep wandering around shirtless. It's plaid. He can't wear plaid!

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Date: 2007-10-10 08:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
I think the reason she was destined to die, rather than just be quietly ignored, was to get her power of the table and complete the prevention of 5YG.

Very good reasoning - I just think it's a bit of a waste, and one they could easily have avoided if they just changed Sylar's MO. And since they seem to do that now, any way...
At the very least, we won't get any more "It's not really Person X, it's Candice!" elaborations.

It's plaid. He can't wear plaid!

I don't think anyone can wear plaid.

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Date: 2007-10-10 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cadesama.livejournal.com
You know, I hadn't considered the possibility that Sylar might permanently change his MO. I can't imagine what he could change to that would be just as threatening to the good guys. I definitely think his goals need to change, though. He upped the ante at the end of of last season by becoming a supervillain, rather than just a serial killer, and resetting him back to zero is no way to continue that. They must have something else in store, but I have no idea what (other than that I assume it parallels what's going on with Peter, to a degree).

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Date: 2007-10-10 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Can he change his MO radically, even? I mean, sure, this is TV, they could say that in their world, he can, but usually a serial killer would be pretty bound to his rituals, wouldn't he?

Parallels to Peter: I could see that, although I have difficulty to see him integrate into some sort of group. Have you seen the Global promo for next episode?

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Date: 2007-10-10 09:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cadesama.livejournal.com
Serial killers are pretty much set for life on their rituals, yeah. That's how a lot of them end up getting caught, actually. Somehow the murder they are committing is interrupted, and so, unsatisfied, they go off half-cocked after another victim immediately (just like Sylar did, actually, going after Isaac immediately after losing Peter). So I hope to see him continuing his murderous rampage. Just... with more direction. Like his final goal last season was becoming president, but his method was still the same old same old. We need a new goal for him (and yeah, I still think he's being manipulated by the NV).

Parallels to Peter: I could see that, although I have difficulty to see him integrate into some sort of group. Have you seen the Global promo for next episode?

Hey, I could see it! If, by "integrate" we mean "eating the brains of the fellow members." I mostly mean that the missing four months are very important, and they are being manipulated by an outside force even though they don't realize it. And I haven't seen the Global promo. Is it up at youtube?

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Date: 2007-10-10 09:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Global promo: Mutantboysrock (http://community.livejournal.com/mutantboysrock)
have both promos. Global's is the second one in the second post. Watch and give your impressions.

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Date: 2007-10-10 09:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cadesama.livejournal.com
Ah, Megavideo. Not my nemesis, that's Daily Motion, but certainly not a favorite of mine because it's lag and the fact that I can't play embedded video. Seriously, what's wrong with using YouTube?

Looks like things with Sylar, Maya, and Alejandro are shaping up the way I thought they would. I'm minorly surprised that he actually confessed to knowing Mohinder, since that has to seem like a huge coincidence to them. Is it just me, or did it look like he seemed sick for a moment there?

Not sure I like the idea of Claire trusting West over Noah, but I think it's natural. And it's a nice way of dealing with the fact that Noah lied to his family all her life. That's not something you just get over. Especially because the resolution last season to that conflict was "oh crap, the Petrellis are crazy; can't stay with them."

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Date: 2007-10-10 09:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Ah, Megavideo. Not my nemesis, that's Daily Motion, but certainly not a favorite of mine because it's lag and the fact that I can't play embedded video.

Ahh. I confess I hadn't paid attention to that, sorry!

I'm minorly surprised that he actually confessed to knowing Mohinder, since that has to seem like a huge coincidence to them. Is it just me, or did it look like he seemed sick for a moment there?

I actually think he is confessing to knowing Chandra, because the twins have his book. And he looked sick, but he is running around with a big chest wound, so that didn't surprise me.

What I'm wondering is, how will he react to Maya's power? Would that be one he wants, or will he be scared of it? And most of all, would it affect him? So far, we only know that it doesn't affect Alejandro, but we have no real evidence that it doesn't affect other mutants.

Not sure I like the idea of Claire trusting West over Noah, but I think it's natural. And it's a nice way of dealing with the fact that Noah lied to his family all her life. That's not something you just get over.

I also think it had to happen eventually, because so far, Noah has not been confronted the least with what he has done over the years, and Claire hasn't dealt with what he has done in the name of protecting her, either.

Random aside: what do you think about the show appropriating our terminology? I mean, yeah, we never called Molly's Big Bad Nightmare Man...

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Date: 2007-10-10 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cadesama.livejournal.com
Ahh. I confess I hadn't paid attention to that, sorry!

Oh, hey, not your problem. It's mostly just China being bratty -- yet again. People who don't have to filter every blog in the universe through proxies don't worry so much about embedded video.

What I'm wondering is, how will he react to Maya's power? Would that be one he wants, or will he be scared of it? And most of all, would it affect him? So far, we only know that it doesn't affect Alejandro, but we have no real evidence that it doesn't affect other mutants.

The thing is, it's never been a matter of want with Sylar. He actively worried about Ted's power and was distressed at the idea of having it -- but he nonetheless treated it like it was inevitable. He can't control the compulsion to steal powers, whether he likes the power or not.

I don't think Maya's virus will effect him, simply because then we have Maya and Shanti's virus in direct opposition in a way that's actually useful to the plot. That's probably half the reason they decided to hook Sylar up with them, anyway. They could easily have put him with Monica instead, and perhaps use him as an agent in the murder of the Elders, but they put him with Maya. It has to be, in part, to showcase what exactly her ability is.

Random aside: what do you think about the show appropriating our terminology? I mean, yeah, we never called Molly's Big Bad Nightmare Man...

I fully approve! especially because it means I don't have to explain the Nightmare Villain theory anymore. :D

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Date: 2007-10-10 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
The thing is, it's never been a matter of want with Sylar. He actively worried about Ted's power and was distressed at the idea of having it -- but he nonetheless treated it like it was inevitable. He can't control the compulsion to steal powers, whether he likes the power or not.

That makes sense.

They could easily have put him with Monica instead, and perhaps use him as an agent in the murder of the Elders, but they put him with Maya. It has to be, in part, to showcase what exactly her ability is.

And that, too!

I fully approve! especially because it means I don't have to explain the Nightmare Villain theory anymore. :D

Now all they have to do is actually connect it to the Killing The Elders plot, which is where Nathan's hallucination comes in, if I may boldly guess.



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Date: 2007-10-10 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inigo.livejournal.com
...does he really think no one in California ever looks up?

Only if their name is Muggles, apparently.

At least the question who employed her is somewhat intriguing - not the Company, from the looks of it, since they would have likely kept Sylar in a technically more advanced area with more personnel.

This is why I'm suspicious of the whole set-up. How can we be sure that the vision of Sylar alone in the middle of a jungle is any more real than Sylar on a beach?

the second of Isaac's series of eight paintings, allegedly the last one in the sequence - which, given how much they blundered last time on this one, seems unlikely - which shows a presumably dead, bespectacled man who looks suspiciously like Bennet

I don't think Isaac's style would be very hard to copy. The reasons for the company using his studio seemed very thin. Bob has confirmed that Mohinder is under close watch. For me, that adds up to it being likely that they know Mohinder is playing spy for Bennet and the painting is a plant, designed to draw him out. Or something.

Excellent review as always. Hope you feel better soon.

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Date: 2007-10-10 08:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
This is why I'm suspicious of the whole set-up. How can we be sure that the vision of Sylar alone in the middle of a jungle is any more real than Sylar on a beach?

Well, the beach was Candice's illusion, and, ruthlessly taking meta sources into account, their blogging director Greg Beeman said she is actually dead, so this can't at least not be her illusion. It might be someone else's, for all we know, but so far, to our knowledge, there is only one illusionist.

I don't think Isaac's style would be very hard to copy.

You know that Tim Sale is really crying somewhere right now, don't you?

The reasons for the company using his studio seemed very thin. Bob has confirmed that Mohinder is under close watch. For me, that adds up to it being likely that they know Mohinder is playing spy for Bennet and the painting is a plant, designed to draw him out. Or something.

Seems a little too complicated to me (I know - I'm really the right person to say something like that. :)). It's possible they know about Mohinder's connection to Bennet, but how would they know Bennet is searching for this specific series of Isaac? Besides, Bennet knew about the sequence before, and he already had one of the pictures, meaning he got it when he still worked for the Company. So there is a real sequence at the very least.

Adding to all of this, I'm not sure they aren't already onto the Bennets - it's not an easy family to hide, what with four blondes and a pomeranian.

Excellent review as always. Hope you feel better soon.

Thank you, and I hope so, too.

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Date: 2007-10-10 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mimesh.livejournal.com
Oh no, you got sick, too? How are you feeling today? I didn't even manage to comment on reviews much less write my own yesterday at all. So, if I'm not making any sense, blame my drugged and fevered brain. Und gute Besserung. :)

I presume not very many people can make "Previously on Heroes" sound quite as dirty as Adrian Pasdar does. Thank you, Adrian.

Hee, I had the same thought. And it was a nice touch that he spoke the line considering that he wasn't in the episode.

"So silly, trying to be something you are not" - Sylar's sentence is not only highly ironic, it also proves to be some sort of a theme for most of the characters in this episode: Peter isn't a thief and not really Ricky's "brother;" Hiro isn't just Kensei's good buddy and Yaeko's platonic friend, much as he wants to be; Claire, Micah and Niki aren't normal, Mohinder is not James Bond, and Betty, of course, is neither Candice nor Michelle, only very much dead.

You really have a skill for filtering out the relevant theme of an episode beyond the obvious (Kindred). That's such an insightful observation and goes nicely with the theme we talked about during the season premiere.

Of course, maybe he didn't contract the virus in a natural way but was infected with it, which could have happened at any point during the last few months I guess.

That's an interesting thought but I think if it's the case it must have happened recently. Even Sylar's unnatural durability would be no match for a deadly chest wound and the virus combined.

His "No one is going to stop me, because no one can stop me!" was more on the sinister side and could verge on anvilicious, depending on later developments, but for now he seems very much on the trip to herodom, which makes Hiro's decision to stay all the more likely to be extremely foolish. Oh, Hiro, you stupid, crushing little fanboy.

Yes, Kensai is back as being my suspcet No. 1 for Kaito's murder and I agree with you that Hiro's and Peter's decisions to stay will bring doom over their respective new "kindreds". Hee and Hiro, Kensei and Yaeko are definitely the most convincing triangle we have had on the show so far. I see chemistry between all three of them. Hiro and his fanboy crushes are just adorable.

Forgive me, I can't find it anymore but I thought I saw you mentioning somewhere that it has been confirmed on the commentary that it's indeed Claire and West in Isaac's painting? And here I had so many wacky theories... It's actually surprising they revealed that much since they made a habit out of misleading paintings in S1.

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Date: 2007-10-10 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Oh no, you got sick, too? How are you feeling today?

Pretty horrible, actually. I don't have very high fever but my head feels like it's going to burst at any second.
Thanks for the well wishes, though, and Gute Besserung yourself! Pesky colds/flus.

You really have a skill for filtering out the relevant theme of an episode beyond the obvious (Kindred). That's such an insightful observation and goes nicely with the theme we talked about during the season premiere.

Thanks! I was saying to [livejournal.com profile] 12_12_12 that I wasn't sure if it really holds up that well for all of them, but I think it's something of a connecting element at least. And the show clearly loves its thematic connections and plays around a lot with them. (that's one reason why it annoys me when people dismiss the show as complete surface.)

That's an interesting thought but I think if it's the case it must have happened recently. Even Sylar's unnatural durability would be no match for a deadly chest wound and the virus combined.

It's possible that this theory has been sunk in the commentaries for this episode, actually, because the writer apparently said that Sylar will slowly regain his powers. So either he develops resistance against the virus, or he really can't access them at the moment because he was so badly injured. I wonder if that means that he got Candice's power, anyway.

Hee and Hiro, Kensei and Yaeko are definitely the most convincing triangle we have had on the show so far. I see chemistry between all three of them. Hiro and his fanboy crushes are just adorable.

Aren't they just? I'm embarrassingly geeking out about them! And Hiro is indeed adorable with his second heroic crush, but shouldn't he know after Nathan that these things never work out as easy as he thinks they do?

Forgive me, I can't find it anymore but I thought I saw you mentioning somewhere that it has been confirmed on the commentary that it's indeed Claire and West in Isaac's painting?

Someone said that the commentary refers to the pair in the painting as Claire making out with someone, but I don't know if that can a) be taken as confirmation, and b) I sadly can't check it myself, since I can't watch the commentary, being outside of the US. Clearly, we need a Commentary Spy. *cough*12?*cough*





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Date: 2007-10-12 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 12-12-12.livejournal.com
Clearly, we need a Commentary Spy. *cough*12?*cough*

Hee. I tend to check TWoP for general consensus on the commentary before I commit myself to watching the entire thing, and apparently this week's wasn't nearly as funny or HoYay-tastic as last week's. But I'll probably watch it this weekend.

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